[18:03] janette Inglewood: so....welcome to class 4 of the Magistrates course
[18:03] janette Inglewood: i shall be referring to the scroll i handed out with the list of laws on...so please have it handy
[18:04] janette Inglewood: also...you can remove meters
[18:04] Aria Draconia (aria.paolino): Oh I need it please
[18:04] Paul Susa: I do as well what was it called?
[18:05] Aria Draconia (aria.paolino): thankyou so much *smiles*
[18:06] tresha Perl: thank you Mistress
[18:06] Paul Susa: Ty
[18:06] janette Inglewood: anyone not got it?
[18:06] janette Inglewood: alright then
[18:07] janette Inglewood: now this is a list of laws extrapolated from the books by Ubar Luther
[18:07] janette Inglewood: we know He is not infallible of course
[18:07] tresha Perl: tptower
[18:07] janette Inglewood: but where i have checked them...they usually prove reliable
[18:08] janette Inglewood: after class i shall send out in group some quotes and back up materials
[18:09] janette Inglewood: these laws contain merchant......civil.....and some Initiate laws too.....but
[18:09] janette Inglewood: remember that your city laws always take precedence
[18:10] janette Inglewood: they may differ from some of these, although in most btb cities they will comply pretty closely
[18:11] janette Inglewood: i do not expect you to learn all of these off by heart
[18:11] janette Inglewood: indeed some of them will never come up in your careers
[18:12] janette Inglewood: covering the sewers is the example i usually give for that
[18:12] janette Inglewood: i have never tried anyone yet on that charge
[18:13] janette Inglewood: so......i would like to pick on a few... and shed some light on them
[18:13] janette Inglewood: scroll down to law number 1
[18:14] janette Inglewood: the classic definition of city law
[18:14] janette Inglewood: i am sure you all remember the class on jurisdiction
[18:14] janette Inglewood: now......note the exceptions.....
[18:15] janette Inglewood: banner keeps.......and lands surrounding the territory
[18:15] janette Inglewood: in SL this often means the entire sim
[18:16] janette Inglewood: for example..here in Olni we extend over 3 sims.....and i have jurisdiction in all 3
[18:16] janette Inglewood: because if may be beyond the city wall...but the lands are still part of Olni
[18:17] Aria Draconia (aria.paolino): So basically all the territory that is claimed by the city?
[18:17] janette Inglewood: it also states about merchant law
[18:17] janette Inglewood: yes Aria exactly
[18:17] Aria Draconia (aria.paolino) nods
[18:17] janette Inglewood: now as you know merchant law binds all of Gor
[18:18] janette Inglewood: and applies in and out of a city....but where a city law may differ....and they do......
[18:18] janette Inglewood: the city law takes precedence...always
[18:19] janette Inglewood: Now last week in our class on sentencing....we talked about the problem of applying things to SL
[18:20] janette Inglewood: if you look at law 2....you see a perfect example of the same problem
[18:20] janette Inglewood: i dont think many sim owners are going to go with this one
[18:21] janette Inglewood: good morning....just claiming your sim with some yellow stakes
[18:21] Aria Draconia (aria.paolino): yea i would see how that wouldnt work
[18:21] Aria Draconia (aria.paolino) laughs
[18:21] janette Inglewood: you can go on paying tier
[18:22] janette Inglewood: so....as always....use common sense when applying Gorean law to SL
[18:23] janette Inglewood: at around law 33....we see a list of common merchant laws
[18:24] janette Inglewood: from Assassins......patents......coins....and the like
[18:24] janette Inglewood: these will apply in any city
[18:24] janette Inglewood: indeed if they dont...that city would have trouble with any trade
[18:25] janette Inglewood: these type of laws are agreed at the Sardar fairs....and although there isnt a standardised coin system on Gor...or on SL.....
[18:26] janette Inglewood: things like shaving the metal from coins........or messing with weights and measures would be serious offences
[18:27] janette Inglewood: these laws will apply in your city
[18:28] janette Inglewood: any questions so far?
[18:28] janette Inglewood looks around
[18:28] Aria Draconia (aria.paolino): I have heard that people are trying to make a currecy system in sl gor
[18:29] janette Inglewood: yes it happens from time to time but will never work
[18:29] janette Inglewood: i mean there isnt one on earth
[18:29] tresha Perl: @
[18:29] Aria Draconia (aria.paolino) nods
[18:29] janette Inglewood: and there wont be on Gor
[18:29] janette Inglewood: tresha?
[18:29] tresha Perl: thank you Mistress..
[18:30] tresha Perl: in rule 54, regarding Dar-Kosis, it states that the disease is considered a "holy" one...is that correct?
[18:30] janette Inglewood: yes it is
[18:30] tresha Perl: thank you
[18:31] janette Inglewood: one of the reasons that there is not a cure for it
[18:31] tresha Perl: yes Mistress
[18:31] janette Inglewood: i believe the PK's wont allow it
[18:31] tresha Perl smiles..
[18:31] tresha Perl: yes Mistress..thank you
[18:32] janette Inglewood: the significance to us as lawyers is the status of the sufferer is as dead
[18:33] janette Inglewood: right...let us jump to slavery issues.....starting at law 63
[18:33] janette Inglewood: tresha...how many laws do you think there are to protect slaves?
[18:34] tresha Perl: tre` thinks there are around 15 to 20 Mistress regarding slaves
[18:34] janette Inglewood: regarding......maybe but protecting?
[18:35] tresha Perl: tre` knows of no law protecting slaves
[18:35] janette Inglewood: the answer is.....none....very good
[18:35] tresha Perl smiles
[18:35] janette Inglewood: a slave has no legal status
[18:35] tresha Perl: thank you Mistress
[18:36] janette Inglewood: all the laws are to do with slaves as property
[18:36] Kati Evans: @
[18:36] janette Inglewood: therefore most of them tend to be merchant laws and therefore applicable in all of Gor
[18:36] janette Inglewood: Kati?
[18:36] Kati Evans: My copy must be an old one since it is not numbered the same. May I have a new copy?
[18:37] Kati Evans accepted your inventory offer.
[18:38] janette Inglewood: slavery issues begin at 63 Kati
[18:38] Kati Evans: thx
[18:39] janette Inglewood: Law 73 is one that is quite commonly evoked
[18:39] janette Inglewood: the Owner of a slave has 5 days....one Gorean hand...to recover their property
[18:40] janette Inglewood: after that time the slave belongs to the new Owner
[18:40] janette Inglewood: obviously on SL this can cause chaos......but is also a good rp source
[18:41] janette Inglewood: it is a merchant law.......it should not be messed with by any btb City
[18:42] janette Inglewood: of course it may well be theft.....but we are getting into the realms of capture law.....just like the taking of a FW
[18:42] janette Inglewood: it is the way of Gor
[18:42] janette Inglewood: hold on to Your women as they are fair game
[18:42] Paul Susa chuckles
[18:42] Paul Susa: @
[18:43] janette Inglewood: Paul?
[18:43] Paul Susa: FW are less seen as game in the books than they are in sl
[18:43] janette Inglewood: yes that is true......
[18:44] janette Inglewood: but in terms of capture from an enemy they were fair game......
[18:44] Paul Susa: In the books they occupy a place in society far above that of a wife
[18:44] Paul Susa: Oh absolutely the fairest of all
[18:44] janette Inglewood: where SL goes wrong is within the Homestone itself
[18:44] Paul Susa: It is the pride of a city to defend its free women
[18:45] Paul Susa: done
[18:45] janette Inglewood: so...laws 83 - 85 deal with this
[18:45] janette Inglewood: a woman in her own city has rights
[18:46] janette Inglewood: she may speak freely......she is not a target
[18:46] janette Inglewood: she cannot be collared without good reason.....
[18:46] janette Inglewood: and it should be done by a Magistrate
[18:47] janette Inglewood: the collar rattling brigade on SL get this so wrong
[18:47] janette Inglewood: of course........if she acts like a slave.....then she will be a slave
[18:48] janette Inglewood: but examples like....arguing with a Man......
[18:48] janette Inglewood: slapping a slave.......
[18:48] janette Inglewood: saying no.......
[18:48] janette Inglewood: wearing a dress that someone doesnt like....are not grounds for a collar
[18:49] janette Inglewood: in 84 it explains it pretty well i feel
[18:50] janette Inglewood: Like i said regarding sentencing.....SL has plenty of slaves
[18:50] janette Inglewood: Gorean FW were not continually threatened with the collar by the Men of their own cities
[18:51] janette Inglewood: as captives to raiders....yes
[18:51] janette Inglewood: or when travelling, which they didnt do too much of....then yes
[18:51] janette Inglewood: but as prizes....it was indeed more important to protect them than reduce them to slaves
[18:52] Paul Susa: @
[18:53] janette Inglewood: law 71 explains capture law
[18:53] janette Inglewood: yes Paul?
[18:53] Paul Susa: It falls to the men to defend their companions, and if the waoman has no companion to her head of caste, I have stepped up many times to combat this behavior which is truly not gorean at all.
[18:53] janette Inglewood: i am glad to hear it Paul
[18:53] janette Inglewood: and i agree totally
[18:54] janette Inglewood: here in Olni....the Warriors protect me...i am not a slave in waiting
[18:55] janette Inglewood: of course.....i stress if a FW abuses that privelege...well then she deserves what she gets
[18:55] Aria Draconia (aria.paolino): @
[18:55] janette Inglewood: similairly i have seen FW in raids fail to run for the tunnels
[18:56] janette Inglewood: i think to myself.....hmmm....do they seek capture?
[18:56] janette Inglewood: Aria?
[18:57] Aria Draconia (aria.paolino): When it comes to capture a fw must submit in order to actually become enslaved they have a choice on the matter. its not oh here is a collar snap brand done. fw would get an option of submitting or honorable death. am i right?
[18:57] janette Inglewood: yes
[18:57] janette Inglewood: they can choose death
[18:58] janette Inglewood: of course.......again here on SL that isnt always fully understood
[18:58] janette Inglewood: as indeed rescue isnt always either
[18:58] Aria Draconia (aria.paolino) nods
[18:58] janette Inglewood: once collared and branded...the captive is slave
[18:59] Paul Susa: @
[18:59] janette Inglewood: alright ....our time draws nigh
[18:59] janette Inglewood: Paul?
[18:59] Nova Hafocham (novalee.eiren): ((excuse me all..should be aback.))
[18:59] Paul Susa: Is she truly if she is captured collared branded raped and still does not submit still slave?
[19:00] Paul Susa: I dont think she is
[19:00] janette Inglewood: i think she is
[19:01] Kati Evans: @
[19:01] janette Inglewood: Her captor can refuse her wish for death.....and simply enslave her
[19:01] janette Inglewood: once branded...she is enslaved
[19:01] janette Inglewood: Kati?
[19:02] Kati Evans: Do they need then to wait the five days before branding her?
[19:02] Kati Evans: Or should they?
[19:02] janette Inglewood: no
[19:03] janette Inglewood: her main hope is to be rescued quickly........
[19:03] janette Inglewood: taken by someone as a FW.....receive manumission
[19:04] janette Inglewood: she is subject to capture laws
[19:05] janette Inglewood: i take your point about 5 days to reclaim her under merchant law....as with a slave
[19:05] janette Inglewood: but when they rescue you...if branded......you are legally a slave
[19:06] janette Inglewood: they dont have to wait 5 days to brand you
[19:07] janette Inglewood: alright then.......any last questions?
[19:07] Aria Draconia (aria.paolino): nope
[19:07] Paul Susa: What would you like done with the essays?
[19:08] janette Inglewood: if you have not done the sentencing essay yet.....please get it to me soon
[19:08] janette Inglewood: this week's homework is to read the law scroll
[19:08] janette Inglewood: no need to memorise it
[19:08] janette Inglewood: just understand it
[19:09] janette Inglewood: i hope you enjoyed the class....
[19:09] janette Inglewood: thank you all for taking part
[19:09] Kati Evans: Thank you
[19:09] Paul Susa: Thank you lady jan
[19:09] Aria Draconia (aria.paolino): thankyou!
[19:09] tresha Perl smiles
[19:09] janette Inglewood: i shall send out the log...and the materials i mentioned about quotes for the laws
[19:09] tresha Perl: thank you Mistress
[19:10] janette Inglewood: thank you all and be well
[19:10] tresha Perl: Well wishes to you also Mistress
[19:10] Aria Draconia (aria.paolino): be well :)
[19:11] Paul Susa: I wish you all well
[19:11] Paul Susa: Come tre
[19:11] Kati Evans: Sleep well
[19:11] tresha Perl: yes my Master
[19:11] janette Inglewood: thank you
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